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@DetroitDan I think a lot of the dispute is what "realistic tribalism" can mean in countries whose scale is in the hundreds of millions. There's going to be a lot of diversity there, or there's going to have to be very strictly enforced homogeneity, of behavior and in the information environment. "Liberals" (globalists/humanists/cosmopolitans) have made a lot of mistakes, but their rivals IMHO still have no answer to this dilemma (and so choose repressively enforced homogeneity).